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As mentioned elsewhere, an interview with Frederick Brownell, former State Herald
of South Africa appeared on the BBC website:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27155475
See also:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27161032
http://www.kelvinbrown.net/the-man-who-designed-the-flag-of-south-africa
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Subject: Re: (OT) Re: Wilhelm O'Kelly von Aghrim
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On Sunday, April 14, 2014 2:14:52 AM UTC+9 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
> If my memory serves me correclty no O'Kelly was mentioned in Christophe P=
arry's =20
> Les h=C3=A9rauts d'armes =C3=A0 l'=C3=A9poque moderne, but I will look in=
to it (it will
> take some time, as my copy is in a remote location).
Today I have consulted the following books and found no mention to the=20
Austrian nor the French O'Kelly:
Duerloo, Luc, Privilegies uitbeelden: De Zuidnederlandse wapenkoningen en w=
apenkunde in de eeuw der Verlichting, Brussel: Paleis der Academi=C3=ABn, 1=
991.
Fourez, Lucien, Le Droit h=C3=A9raldique dans les Pays-Bas catholiques, Bru=
xelles: L'=C3=89dition universelle, 1932.=20
Grol=C3=A9e-Virville, Alain de, Les d'Hozier, Paris: E=CC=81ditions cardina=
les, 1978.=20
Duerloo mentions the Belgian O'Kelly and he states (in p.38) that for the=
=20
details of Philippe O'Kelly, see pp.246-248 of the same author's 'Qui =C3=
=A9tait=20
qui =C3=A0 la chambre h=C3=A9raldique au XVIIIe si=C3=A8cle', in: Le parche=
min, 53, 1988,=20
pp.218-256.
I do not have a copy of 'Qui...', and it may possibly have some mention to=
=20
the Austrian or French O'Kelly.
(As I do not understand Dutch, what I wrote above may be incorrect.)
I checked the index of Le Droit h=C3=A9raldique, and found no Kelly nor O'K=
elly at=20
all.
Les d'Hozier has no index and as far as my glance reached, it has no mentio=
n=20
to any O'Kelly. I think, as the French royal heralds in the eighteenth cent=
ury=20
had nothing to do with armorial matters, there is few possibility that the =
book=20
has any mention to any O'Kelly.
I will next look into those books (it will take another couple of days or =
=20
weeks):
Floresta, Alfonso de Ceballos-Escalera y Gila, Marqu=C3=A9s de la, Heraldos=
y Reyes de Armas en la Corte de Espa=C3=B1a, Madrid: Prensa y Ediciones Ib=
eroamericanas, 1993.
Parry, Christophe, Les h=C3=A9rauts d'armes =C3=A0 l'=C3=A9poque moderne, P=
aris: Gu=C3=A9n=C3=A9gaud, 2005.
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Subject: Re: (OT) Re: Wilhelm O'Kelly von Aghrim
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On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:25:42 AM UTC+9 Derek Howard:
> I am not sure anyone has done any proper research on this per se. I was j=
ust=20
> citing bits of legislation. There has though been some coverage of the no=
torious=20
> fraudsters, the de Launay brothers, both heralds, who issued many false c=
ertificates,=20
> not least for themselves - see L Galesloot : << Pierre-Albert and Jean de=
Launay,
> herauts d'armes du duche de Brabant: Histoire de leurs proces (1643-1687=
) ... >>, 1866.
Thank you for giving the reference. The book is available online:
http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=3DWdZCAAAAcAAJ
> The idea, I think, is to avoid overlap or repetition of earlier works, fo=
r instance:=20
> Bertrand Schnerb (ed) : << Le heraut, figure europeenne (XIVe-XVIe siecle=
) >> in Revue du=20
> Nord, tome 88 - n=B0 366-367, juillet-decembre 2006 ; and Kate Stevenson =
[ed.]: - "The Herald=20
> in Late Medieval Europe". Woodbridge, The Boydell Press, 2009; though the=
re are a fair=20
> number of new studies already done or underway to draw on.
Hmmm? You who attended the conference are probably right.
The Revue du Nord you mentioned is again available online:
http://www.cairn.info/revue-du-nord-2006-3.htm
Just for your information.
Sator Uemura
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Subject: Re: (OT) Re: Wilhelm O'Kelly von Aghrim
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On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:55:00 PM UTC+9, Derek Howard wrote:
> This is taking my mind back ten years or so but I remember seeing a=20
> reference in a work on the library shelves of the OGHB here in Brussels a=
nd=20
> IIRC it was possibly to either the Denis O'Kelly or his son John James=20
> O'Kelly, the comte O'Kelly, mentioned by Ruvigny at:
>=20
> https://archive.org/stream/nobilitiesofeuro01ruviuoft#page/132/mode/2up
Thank you for giving me this reference.
If my memory serves me correclty no O'Kelly was mentioned in Christophe Par=
ry's=20
Les h=E9rauts d'armes =E0 l'=E9poque moderne, but I will look into it (it w=
ill
take some time, as my copy is in a remote location).
> I have not yet dug out my old notes but have refreshed a little my memory=
with the entry in Ruvigny for:=20
>=20
> <snip>
>=20
> I suspect that the change to "d'Aghrim" element may perhaps have been to =
hint=20
> and suggest a link to the earlier Imperial king of arms and the HRE=20
> [MacNevin] O'Kelly of Aughrim title who also appears in Ruvigny:
>=20
> <snip>
I have the same impression.
=20
> I think you are right, The heralds of the Spanish Low Countries were accu=
sed
> by the King in 1652 of failing in their duties and further had not ceased=
=20
> giving attestations of nobility and other titles of honour to diverse per=
sons=20
> despite being expressly forbidden by order of the Privy Council in 1643 a=
nd=20
> royal instructions of 1641. The upshot was that they were made justiciabl=
e=20
> before the provincial judges and councils. In 1654 they were forbidden fr=
om=20
> delivering attestations of nobility and the councils forbidden from basin=
g=20
> judgements on such certificates. Even as late as 1755 the laxity - to put=
it=20
> at its most diplomatic - of the heralds in their work was observed and th=
ey=20
> were instructed that when making a submission with regard to a request to=
the=20
> Supreme Council in Vienna for a concession of nobility they should attach=
all=20
> the evidence on which they based the submission and this should be checke=
d by=20
> the Privy Council's Fiscal Counsellor for abuse and irregularities. The=
=20
> irregularities and abuse had obviously been in their clients' interest as=
well
> as their own.
Thank you again for updating my knowledge. I did not think the situation wa=
s
so well searched. I have an impression that this was a prevalent phenomenon=
=20
among those states where heralds functioned "heraldically" and hope someone
will make research on this subject.
> presentations on recent research. However, the organiser, Torsten Hiltman=
n is=20
> hoping not for a volume of papers presented but for a general work on the=
=20
> history of heralds, written thematically with contributions from a range =
of=20
> authors including some who did not attend the workshop. This will probabl=
y=20
> take longer than editing up papers.
Anyway I am always glad to hear about a new book. I will, however, wait for=
long=20
time as it seems it is an ambitious project.
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On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:34:44 PM UTC+9, Derek Howard wrote:
> On Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:31:12 AM UTC+2, pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>=20
> IIRC they (William and PJB) are not related directly. PJB O'Kelly, last k=
ing=20
Thank you for clearing my question.
> expert). There was indeed even another O'Kelly king of arms in the 18th=
=20
> century - this time in France. They all talked their employers into accep=
ting=20
Could you please give me "who's who" of the French O'Kelly king of arms?
> said to be a private baptism of which there was no corroboration; it had =
all=20
> the hallmarks of a forged pedigree. Somewhere I have some notes but I had=
=20
Interesting. Heralds' forgery might have been not rare (see for example:=20
http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=3D3vS7ORpv_DoC&pg=3DPA177) and, I think,=
=20
to some degree this is why people needed heralds.
And Derek, you were probably in M=FCnster last week. I hope what you and=20
other heraldic experts discussed will be published soon in some form.
Satoru Uemura
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There was another O'Kelly: Philippe-Jean-Baptise O'Kelly who was King of Arms
of Hainaut and compiled this book: http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=QigIAAAAQAAJ
Were they related?
Philippe-Jean-Baptise seems to have had a son of the same name:
http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=9nBSAAAAcAAJ
http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=rxBJAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA111
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